Re: [PER] throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from breeding to persian male inCFA

 

I personally wouldnt regard ANY cat as THROW AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I argument was only to draw peoples attention to the way in which the dog fancy deals with breeds which have various coat lengths ...teh dog fancy has been estblished a great deal longer than teh relavtively young cat fancy.

 

It is NOTHING to do with money - just common sense!

 

Everyone is entitled to do as they wish in their own breeding programmes...but the fact remains that there is NO genetic differentiation betweeen a so called 'pure persian' and an exotic longhair.

 

Persian breeders WOULD NOT be getting that ONE gene if they were to introduce an ELH in their breeing programme, as the shorthair gene CAN NOT be carried - unike the case of colourpoint. 

 

Furthermore, if we want to consider what is a 'cross breed' as you so all them - I think if we were to examine the origins of most breeds we would struggle to find a breed that can honestly claim 'purity', albeit for  handful of natural breeds.   

 

Finally, the production of ELH can not be blamed for the number of unwanted pets - this is an issue which every breeder must consider before producing kittens of any breed

 

Well, these are more thoughts of the issue.

 

Keely
 

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From: jer dawn <jerdawn@gmail.com>
To: Keely Carabott <carabottcats@yahoo.com>
Cc: Persian-Fanciers <Persian-Fanciers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 8:43:58 PM
Subject: Re: [PER] throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from breeding to persian male inCFA

Keely,

Of course you want to have your ELH to be considered the same as Persian.  That way you can get more money for your otherwise  "throw away" kittens.  But those who raise Pure Persians do not want that ONE gene in their lines.  

It is admirable that you are honest enough to tell perspective buyers that they are getting a mimic breed, but many will not take the chance of losing money or losing a sale and will not be as honest.

In this economy we don't need to muddy the water and call a Part Persian a Pure Persian. I'm seeing many nice Persian kittens being petted out and going to sell than ideal pet homes.  Do we really need to increase those numbers by adding yet more? 

When the ESH breed was first started there was much concern about the long hair variety being passed off as Persiand and it was stated that  would NEVER happen.  It's the old "camel nose under the tent" scenario.  Now the push is on to do exactly what we were afraid would happen.  

Some may be OK with having a cross breed included as a Persian, but many die hard Persian breeders absolutely do not want that.  I admit to being one of the latter group for reasons I stated in a previous post.

Dawna

On Mar 8, 2010, at 3:12 AM, Keely Carabott wrote:

Given that the difference between a 'persian' and 'exotic' can be singled down to one specific gene for coat  length...I think that the cat fancy could learn a lot from the dog world on this issue.

 

There are many breeds of dog which recognise different coat lengths - eg: chihuahua, daschund, collie, fox terrier...to name but a few.

 

Presuming that we are all in agreement that an exotic has exactly the same type as a 'persian' ...indeed many ELH are fabulous examples of the Persian breed ...then I dont see why we cant do the same - same breed but different coat varieties!

 

Most orgnisations have adopted this approach and allow free breeding - regarding longhairs as Persian and shorthairs as Exotic.

 

There is no 'GENETIC' basis for distinguishing between an Exotic longhair and 'pure persian'!  Apparently only in CFA?

 

As a breeder of exotics I find longhairs a very useful part of my breeding programme - all longhairs which we produce are ELH in CFA and I define them as such so that onlookers can make their own decisions as to whether or not they wish to use in a 'pure persian' programmme.

 

Keely

 

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From: r zozman <furtherinquiries@ yahoo.com>
To: Christine Tracey <christinet@thelines .co.nz>; angela scott <adonispersians@ att.net>; Persian-Fanciers <Persian-Fanciers@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 5:53:25 AM
Subject: Fw: [PER] throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from breeding to persian male inCFA

 

Dear Listers: So far this is what has become of help towards trying to prevent the "Exotic Long Hair"/Persians from being difficult to sell or buy because of the CFA rule that prevents them from being bred back to persian males. Unless a group of breeders takes sufficient interest in assisting to promote the breed to its proper standing as a Persian or given a status of its own, this breed will continue to be difficult to sell or buy and prevent the honorable recognition of this most beautiful cat and the breeders thereof . 
Why should this designation be such a discouraging barrier without the potential to produce short hair when breeding only long hair together?. In my opinion I would like to see the ELH seen as a Persian as an ELH carrier. Each breeder should be able to determine which trait in the Persian lines they choose to produce, even in the Persian breed there are traits that need to be chosen or excluded such as tabby, chincilla, smoke, CPC, solid, blue eyes, etc. What damage would it do for CFA to require that any of these could no longer be bred back to a Persian male? 
Even if enough response here could be generated, this in itself could be presented to CFA. I hope that there will be tremendous support. Of course, it is well beyond me. Blessings, Rose

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