Re: [PER] Missing the forwards: RE: PER] throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from breeding to persian male inCFA

I agree with you up to a point, and I also shy away from buying Persians from breeders who also breed Exotics because I don't know who is honest and who is not.  However, I think adding ELH to the classes is asking for our Persian breed to loose traits that have been years in the making.  Particularly the coat length.  I'm no scientist, I'm simply going from my own observation.

Dawna 

On Mar 8, 2010, at 9:25 PM, sharadacats wrote:

I think adding all these extra divisions with *persian* looking cats is a stupid waste of time and too confusing...is anyone here afraid of more competion in the persian class judging... stuffed up with these pseudo look alikes (so to speak) if you have a good  *real* persian he will shine anyway! This is a simpler and more realistic way to set up the judging schedules..so I think...leave it the way it is! Of course we all know that these *look alikes) have there own numbering systems, so, if you don't want them in your peds, don't buy them!  And, furthermore, I just won't even think of purchasing a persian from a cattery that breeds both exotics and persians...simple!

Sharon

 

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From: Jasans@att.net

To: Keely Carabott ; Persian-Fanciers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:58 AM

Subject: Re: [PER] Missing the forwards: RE: PER] throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from breeding to persian male inCFA

	I wish the exotic shorthairs and longhairs and Himi's and Cpc's could all have had a class of their own.  I raise Persians and now I am also raising the Exotic shorthairs and throwing everything in with the Persians to be judged has been a sore spot with many of us old time breeders and I wish the breed council would offer it another vote. Personally, I do not want the ELH judged with the Persians.  We have large enough classes to make them separate classes.  ESH a class, ELH a class, Himi's a class, CPC's a class.  I do feel that the ELH should only be used to breed with the ESH.   Sandy     -------------- Original message from "furtherinquiries" <furtherinquiries@yahoo.com>: --------------    Is there interest in seeking to promote the Exotic Long Hair as a breed of its own, as it would seem that preventing this breed from being bread back to persian males (the CFA rule) would essentially cause this breed to be a "throw away" breed and I belief after all the efforts that have gone to produce such beautiful cats that this is truly unfortunate. I hope there will be interest in promoting this. Blessings Rose                 -- Sandy Roudebush  Jasans Cattery  www.jasans.com  517 482-6319    -------------- Original message from Keely Carabott <carabottcats@yahoo.com>: --------------    I dont know who wrote this comment below - but jsut wanted to say HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE WITH SENSE!!!! Keely   *************** The percentage of short hairs from an ELH to a Persian is NIL, None, Never, Nought, Zero. Genetically there is no difference between an ELH and a Persian. Short hair is dominant over long hair. Being a dominant gene it cannot be carried. You need one parent at least to be a short hair to get a shorthair. Longhair on the other hand IS recessive and can be carried. Two exotics carrying longhair can produce a longhair. Two longhairs from exotics can never have an exotic. I did belong to a council in Australia that didn't recognise those matings. They were the only council that still had this ruling. I changed councils. As I said there is no way you can prove that out of two Persians in front of you that one is an ELH or a Persian or indeed that neither is an ELH. Genetically there is no difference. I'm very happy to answer any more questions you may have ********************************* > > ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Merilyn Biddle <merilynbiddle@ bigpond.com> >To: furtherinquiries <furtherinquiries@ yahoo.com> >Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 8:19:47 PM >Subject: Re: [PER] throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from breeding to persian male inCFA > > >Eventually this cat will become a Persian and follow the rest of the world. In Australia after a long hard struggle the persian born from an exotic to a persian became a persian. Genetically that is all it can be as shorthair or exotic is not recessive. It's amazing now that exotics often have outstanding persian pedigrees to equal if not surpass quite a few persians with no exotic in them. >  >  >----- Original Message ----- >>From: furtherinquiries >>To: Persian-Fanciers@ yahoogroups. com >>Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:43 AM >>Subject: [PER] throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from breeding to persian male inCFA >> >> >> >>Is there interest in seeking to promote the Exotic Long Hair as a breed of its own, as it would seem that preventing this breed from being bread back to persian males (the CFA rule) would essentially cause this breed to be a "throw away" breed and I belief after all the efforts that have gone to produce such beautiful cats that this is truly unfortunate. I hope there will be interest in promoting this. Blessings Rose >> ____________ _________ _________ __ From: angela scott <adonispersians@ att.net> To: furtherinquiries <furtherinquiries@ yahoo.com>; Persian-Fanciers <Persian-Fanciers@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 8:26:49 AM Subject: Re: [PER] throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from breeding to persian male inCFA I don't want to start a fight...so please don't email me with nasties about this...BUT-- exotic longhairs were suppose to be *not the standard* when the inventors of exotic short hair created the breed....I realize that the long hairs are lovely but if someone wants to breed long haired versions we have Persians.... .and there isn't any derivatives( other breeds) in the pedigree like American short hair, British short hairs, and other breeds they used to get the shorthair gene...when someone starts asking to make a breed a "breed" and there is already a breed that "looks like" the ELH....I think the breeders of exotic shorthairs should include their what you call--throw aways-- into the breed itself...and not force Persians breeders to include it...and make Exotic shorthair a whole separate breed itself. This would allow a TOTAL separate number system in place and people who want to raise Persians will not make the same mistake I made when I wanted to raise Persians and ended up with a CPC...and being un-mentored I ended up with a CPC who was lovely but wasn't what I wanted. Angela Angela Scott-- Adonis Persians -------Original Message----- -- From: furtherinquiries Date: 3/5/2010 9:54:17 PM To: Persian-Fanciers@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [PER] throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from breeding to persian male inCFA Is there interest in seeking to promote the Exotic Long Hair as a breed of its own, as it would seem that preventing this breed from being bread back to persian males (the CFA rule) would essentially cause this breed to be a "throw away" breed and I belief after all the efforts that have gone to produce such beautiful cats that this is truly unfortunate. I hope there will be interest in promoting this. Blessings Rose Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New TopicMessages in this topic (1)

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