Re: [PER] Re: throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from breeding to persi

Thank you Arja for a helpful comment.This issue is to see that Exotic long hair will be recognized and allowed to be bred back to a persian male, this is presently banned by CFA. How would it be if every other unoriginal persian, (which is all persians, thanks for clarifying that) were not able to be bred back to a male persian, how would that affect the hard earned efforts to create the beautiful breeds with their various different distinctions, chincilla, smoke, tabby, CPC, ec... The point is not to say ELH is only Persian but Persian ELH Carrier (better put ESH Carrier) or if this is such a problem then alternately to find a class for them, but to continue not allowing them to be bred would seem sad. Particularly with the decline in the fancy.

----- Original Message ----
From: featherland2000 <Lorraine@featherland.net>
To: Persian-Fanciers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 10:02:22 PM
Subject: Fw: [PER] Re: throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from breeding to persi

Arja,
OK, I think was just a miscommunication.

The original post was about recognizing one breed that mimics another but is shown as a separate breed. This does not exist in FIFe: the ELH *is* a Persian, it doesn't "mimic" one. They are not shown in separate categories.

To all:

When it comes to the whole CFA "what is a breed" question, the only request I make is that a CFA Allbreed judge should be able to tell what breed a Grand Champion is by handling it, not by having to look in a book or at a pedigree. I don't think that is too much to ask. If a breed is not distinct, it is not a breed. How can we get the public to appreciate our breeds as unique if even WE can't tell them apart?

Registering and showing "Exotic Longhairs" in a category separate from Persians is not consistent with that request. I don't want to see a judge present their "Best Black Exotic Longhair" to an audience, followed by their "Best Black Persian" and then have a visiting member of the general public turn to me as a CFA Ambassador and comment, "I don't understand, they look identical to me!" That's simply an embarassment to our hobby.

At least when they can't tell the difference between a Maine Coon and a Norwegian Forest Cat, I can explain the standards to them!

Our bicolor Persians in CFA are all Exotic Longhairs, with their pedigrees conveniently truncated. Read Norah Woodifield's article that explains her ONE breeding program with ONE standard and TWO coat lengths here:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Persian-Fanciers/files/
I love the part about how the conformation of the cat follows the standard for British Shorthairs! The Pathfinder cats were mixed litters of British Shorthairs and British Longhairs.

Himalayans are Exotic Longhairs. Chocolate and lilacs are Exotic Longhairs.

The cat we call a "Persian" is a breed well described in the 1800's and early 1900's as a deliberate hybridization between Turkish longhaired cats, Russian longhairs, Maine cats (in the US), and domestic shorthaired cats of Britain. How much longer must this myth about "pure Persians" go on? The are NOT a natural breed. They are the result of deliberate crosses of cats with completely unrelated heritage, artfully developed over 130 years of selective breeding.

--Lorraine

--- In Persian-Fanciers@yahoogroups.com, "henrietan" <henrietan@...> wrote:
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> Maybe my English is not good enough, but I dont understand what you mean? I
> meant to say that in FIFe it is possible to mix ELH to a Persian because
> most of the members in FIFe does not make any difference between them in
> their perigree numbers or in any other way.
>
> I'm sure you well understood me ;-)
> ~~Arja
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "featherland2000" <Lorraine@...>
> To: <Persian-Fanciers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:05 AM
> Subject: Fw: [PER] Re: throw away breed Exotic Long Hair prevented from
> breeding to persi
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>
> >> Wrong. Fife does.
> >
> > I'll bite. What breed in FIFe is an exact mimic of another? I know the ELH
> > is a Persian there. The Seychellois isn't an exact mimic. The only one I
> > can come up with is the Foreign White. Is that what you were referring to?
> >
> > --Lorraine
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